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And now for something completely random

Posted in Random with tags , , , , on October 11, 2012 by forthepie

One of my jobs on this blog is to check the spam folder and delete all the real spam and approve any comments that are not spam. I am not the only writer who does this, but it is one of the things I do to help 4theHorde be the greatest 4 writer Horde centric blog, written by 3 Kansans and a Canadian. Oh and Happy 10, 11, 12.

I have to laugh sometimes at the amount of spam we get, plus the types of comments that are made by obvious spammers. I almost approved a comment because the website name/title was invisible toaster, it might have made it on title alone. Most of our spam is the usual link infested crap that I am sure none of you want to see. I’ve thought about letting the reblog spam go through, but again, it’s still spam.

I’ve finished all the Warcraft books I have, the only one left to buy and read is the Wolfheart one. I will say this. I didn’t care for Garrosh before reading the book, but it was a mostly, you are not Thrall kinda way. Now, I am in the Garrosh hate camp. I am supporting Basic Campfire for new Warchief.  I am actually toying with an RP story where Halkale “leaves” the Horde, because of Garrosh’s actions. Halkale is now 90 and he doesn’t go to Orgrimmar anymore, since his hearth is set to the inn in the Temple of Two Moons.

One of the disadvantages of being in a smallish guild, which by the way is creeping up onto Guild level 14, is that we don’t have a lot of people on. Kor was off on Canadian Thanksgiving so his play time over the weekend was pretty random. Apparently, Nim and Sy have families to deal with and so their play time is at odd times too. But, we are a helpful group and we support each other pretty well. We are all taking part in trying to get the Working Better as a Team achievement so we can get the heirloom pants.

Monday was Columbus Day here in the US. It was also a banking holiday so that meant I had the day off. I had a couple of errands to run, one of which was to run to the DMV to get the tag for my truck. That is also the time we pay our personal property taxes. Ouch. Outside of the painful amount of money I owed, the trip was pretty quick, probably most of the people thought they were closed Monday. So with the day off and my dailies done for Tillers and Anglers, I decided to hop over to my dwarven mage Crispers, who resides in Crits and Giggles.  I was excited to see the Alliance side of things.

Is there an achievement for the most number of deaths before you complete the first quest. No, not the quest where you drive a gyrocopter around and shoot things. No, the first “ground” quests. Squishy mage is squishy. When touching down Crispers had a touch over 100k health. Those melee mobs hit hard. I finally got to the first Panda village and realized it’s probably a good idea to get something that hits harder than the Frost spec I was using. So I switched to Fire. Much better, once I got the rotation down, but still very squishy. Swarms of hozen tend to kill me because I don’t have much in the way of get out of jail cards. Anyone who has a link to helpful tips or who wants to post some tips in the comments are surely welcome.

I almost made a decision to only level paladins and hunters, maybe warlocks. I am very scared about how to level my priest, she needs to be leveled so she can continue her tailoring, mostly she needs to get to 87ish so she can survive in the Silken Fields.

My other major concern is how do I level Bratwurst. I did a 2.5 of the dungeons while leveling Halkale. I say .5 because while I completed the Brewery and Jade Temple, but the Shan-Do one, we got through a boss and on the trash after the panda boss, we started wiping. To be honest, I am not sure why the tank kept dying, the healer seemed competent, the melee dps warrior was one of the go go go mentality folks. I thought we were focusing down the healer mobs, but something kept killing the tank and finally the group fell apart.  I’ve noticed a few times while running Cata normals that more and more people are just in the “fast food” dungeon mentality, I think it’s still prevalent in MOKFP.  I loved tanking in Wrath on my pally. I loved leading a group of my friends in to take down the LK, even if it was late in Cata before we attempted it, as 85’s with raid geared folks from Shadow Rising.

I am just not sure I am ready for the headache of not only fighting the instance, but my party, as well. Perhaps I need to powerlevel my druid healer up and heal Kor? Can I get 40ish levels by the end of the week?  After I started writing this, I got my Tiller’s rep to Honored and got my next four plots of land and ran a scenario. Pretty quick queue and pretty fun. Still need to run a ton more and keep working on my dailies.


Operation: Lowbie-Hunter Levels 1-10

Posted in Hunter Guide, Lowbies, Non-Wow Related, Pie with tags , on January 1, 2010 by forthepie

Meet Wrasam, Night Elf Hunter.

Sadly my Mohawked wore off before I got this pic.

My attempt to level this hunter with a large amount of cash or heirlooms from my level 80’s begins now.  As I progress through this guide, the goal is to not tell you how to play each level, or to complete quests, or even go into a lot of detail on certain hunter skills.  Quite simply, why invent the wheel.   I will link you to the spells you get, through Wowhead.  In addition, any tips I might have for doing the things hunter do best, or ways to avoid being a huntard if possible, will be given when the spell or ability is attained.  For example, I won’t talk about kiting until you have the shots and abilities needed to actually kite a mob.

Let’s begin, shall we?

Level 1, bright eyed and bushy-tailed, you enter the world of Azeroth with a few things.  As a hunter, you get a 2 handed axe, a bow/gun (I suspect Dwarves get guns, perhaps Draenei), 200 arrows/bullets, a backpack, a 4 slot quiver and a hearthstone.  To be honest, hunters get it good here, the quiver provides you one more slot that other folks don’t get.  Keep this quiver until you get enough bags, I would suggest until you can step up to 10 slot or bigger bags.

Sadly, Hunters have to melee for the first 10 levels, without a pet. Yes, you get to shoot things, using your ranged weapon, but most times that mob is going to end up in melee and you are going to end up flailing at it with your melee weapon.  This, in my not so humble opinion (and others too), establishes bad habits in the beginning hunter, that must be unlearned when you get your pet at level 10.  More on that later.

At level 1, you have auto-attack (now called Attack) which is the melee attack and Auto Shot, which is your ranged attack.  In addition, you get Raptor Strike, which is your only mana using ability until level 4.

Level 2 brings you Track Beasts, which allows your mini-map to show dots that represent beasts.  Green dots are friendly, yellow are neutral and red dots represent aggressive beasts.  In the starter area, you should have no red dots, unless the opposite faction is in the area and has a beast present.

Until you get Serpent Sting at level 4, you should pretty much follow this attack pattern.  Click mob you want to kill, get to the max range you can attack using your Auto Shot ability (35 yards at this point in your WOW life).  Start firing by either right mouse clicking the mob (if you have the setting selected) or by hitting the button Auto Shot is assigned to, or by left clicking the ability.  When the mob closes to melee, activate Raptor Strike.  If necessary, if it comes off it’s cooldown, activate it again.   Rinse…repeat.  Depending on your hits, crits and damage, the mob may not make it to melee.

You think this is bad, go read the paladin guide, when it get’s posted.

At level 4, you get Serpent Sting and Aspect of the Monkey.  You will be in Aspect of the Monkey (Aspects are referred  to by just the part after the, e.g. Monkey) until you get the next aspect at level 10.  Aspects are like warrior stances or paladin auras, in that they serve roles for you.  Monkey is your melee damage reducer by buffing your ability to dodge.  Serpent Sting will now be the shot you open with on the mob.  This will put a DoT on the mob.  It’s not really that mana efficient, but at this stage you aren’t using mana a lot, and the mana regen at the lower levels is incredible, so use it.  It will help for those mobs that take off and run when their health drops to 20%.

At level 5, you can train professions.  I recommend training First Aid and Cooking and working on them, so that you can max them when you have time and money and mats.  For the primary professions, I would recommend Herbalism and Skinning, if this is your first character and whatever you want, if you have the bank of an 80 backing you up.  Why?  Herbalism gives you a healing spell, that unless you are Draenei, hunters don’t have.  Skinning gives you crit rating and crit is always welcome.  Plus skinning doesn’t require tracking.  Fishing is up to you.  Seriously, my 80 hunter is maxed, and I fish a lot, for mats for food buffs that all my characters use, but I can understand why folks wouldn’t want to do it.

At level 6, you get Hunter’s Mark and Arcane Shot.  Congrats, you can now effectively kite the mob if you’d like.  While moving, your Auto Shot will not work.  So you’ll be left with only 2 shots, Serpent Sting and Arcane Shot.  You may find it quicker not to kite mobs at this point, but to continue letting them run toward you why you put bullets or arrows in their mug.

I won’t go over how to kite a mob.  Quite simply, BRK has put out the best example on how to do so in this video and this, it involves jump shooting and to be honest, while I can do it, I am not great at it. If you click the BRK link, you’ll find all of his “guide” posts.  Most of that stuff still applies, but I want to update the changes that have been made.

Hunter’s Mark each mob?  You can. The bonus isn’t great and it does use mana and you may find it’s not really helpful.  Either way, not a big deal at this point in your life.

At level 8, you get Concussive Shot and Rank 2 of Raptor Strike.  Not really going to spend a lot of time on new ranks, unless they add something to the mix.  Concussive shot….when do I use in my rotation?  Well, I’ve found that I open with Serpent Sting, then Concussive Shot, then Arcane.  This usually makes the mob die or really close, that if they run, they still have the slowing debuff and I can keep them from running away too far.


Congratulations, you’ve made it past the worst part of being a hunter, after a few quests and a lot of running, you’ll be able to tame a pet of your choice and your leveling speed and ability to burn through mobs will increase exponentially.

First, when you level, you get a talent point to spend.   Quite simply, my advice is to put a point in Endurance Training.  I know you can realistically level as any of the specs, but I think your downtime and ability to survive is just better, especially at the lower levels, with Beastmastery.

When you get to your trainer, and I would advise getting there quickly, you learn Parry, a passive skill, Rank 2 of Serpent Sting and Track Humanoids, which like Track Beasts will cause Humanoid mobs to show up on your mini-map, if you are tracking them.  A note here, apparently abilities are being added to you bars automatically.  You can remove the Tracking as their is a button on your mini-map you can use to access the tracking abilities.

Your trainer also has a quest chain for you to start.  Start it.  No really, stop reading and go do it.  It’s the chain that gets you to learn how to tame pets.  First you get a rod and you go train 3 mobs.  After the 3rd mob is trained and you return you learn the following abilities:  Call Pet, Dismiss Pet, Tame Beast and a quest to run to your major city.  There you will learn Feed Pet and Revive Pet.

The pet you choose to tame is entirely up to you.   A Tenacity pet is really nice because it provides a bit more health and armor and tends to hold aggro better.  A Ferocity pet is good because it does more damage and a Cunning pet has some abilities that make them useful in places like PvP.  Try out many different types and visit Petopia for more information on pets.

Next time we’ll go through levels 11-20.

Operation: Lowbie-Getting Started

Posted in Operation Lowbie, Pie with tags , , on December 30, 2009 by forthepie

Assuming you are new to the game, where do you begin?  For those already familiar with the world…of warcraft, this post may not be really educational.

After you setup your account and log into WOW for the first time, you are offered a server for your characters to live on.  Before you take the Recommended server, stop. Ask yourself a few questions.

1) Do I have friends or family that play WOW?  Chances are you do know someone, even if you don’t know that they do.  If you have friends or family that play, ask them where they play and what faction.  Having friends in the game isn’t mandatory, but it sure makes life a lot easier.

2) Where do I live and what time zone is my home?  Why?  Well, WOW has multiple data centers and all their US/Oceanic Servers are based in these data centers.  Just because you live in the Pacific Time Zone doesn’t mean your server’s data center does, even if it is a Pacific Time Zone server.  For information on data centers, their location and time zone and type, please look here.

Why is that important?  Well for one thing, matching your time zone and your server’s time zone can make it easier for you to group up with people. Although, most folks set their calendars to server time, but also, if you live on the West Coast and your server is on the East coast you may find that it’s harder to find groups that can play as long as you.  It’s not game breaking, but it can help.  Also, you will may notice some difference in latency if you select a data center closer to you than one farther away.  I live in the KC area, so I consistently getter better latency from the Dallas Data Center, than the Seattle one.  Your mileage may vary, of course.

Okay, so now you’ve selected your server, you know which faction you are going to play and you’ve figure out the look, name, race and class of your character.  Ready to jump in the game?

Some advice.

Watch the opening scene for your race, heck roll up all the different races and watch the opening scenes.

Also, read your quest text, look and listen to the speeches given.  Sure the 102380 time you do it, you will race through the quests, but that first time, take your time.  For one thing, if you are doing this prior to Cataclysm, that quest, that zone..may not be there when Cataclysm hits.

Lastly, make friends.  Perhaps you won’t make friends in the starter zone, but as you group with people, if they seem to be nice, put them on your friends list.  Friends are a great thing in WOW, it is a multi-player game for a reason.

If this is your first character, don’t worry about weapon or equipment upgrades.  For the most part, the game will get them to you.  Don’t go blowing your hard earned gold, silver, bronze and copper on the Auction House(AH).

Casters may want to pick up a wand, but usually you’ll find quite a few Lesser and Greater Magic Wands on the AH, due to they are something enchanters use to level up, they are usually not expensive.

The primary thing you need to gather is bags.  Bag space is a concern for the rest of your time in WOW.

OH and don’t be afraid to sign guild charters, especially if folks are offering to give you gold.  No, it’s not a scam.  In order for guilds to be created they must get 9 people to sign the charter the guild master bought.  They have to be from 9 different accounts, so you will probably see people in the starting areas and in the major cities asking for signatures in Trade or General chat channels.  A note to you veterans of WOW, offer to pay for your signatures and go to the starter or lower areas and offer these to lower characters.  10 gold doesn’t seem like a lot to you, but to a level 10 who doesn’t have an 80 or a bunch of friends helping them out, it’s a very big deal.

Okay, so let’s take stock of where we are:

1) You have your server, your faction and your character decided on.

2) You’ve watched the opening racial scene and you are now in game, armed with knowledge that the AH is a money sink and you need bags as soon as you can get them. (By the way, you don’t need to buy the biggest bags in the world, even the 4 slot bags will help you at first, just don’t go crazy at first)

3) You are standing in the starting area, staring at the NPC with the big yellow ! over their head.

4) You know this first time, that you are going to read the quests, listen to the speeches the NPCs give and you are going to enjoy the journey.

What now?

Well, join me next time as the Operation: Lowbie series splits between the hunter and the paladin.  I am not going to go step by step, quest by quest, but I am going to talk about the leveling process for each class and share with you some tips to making the road to 80 (or 85 in Cat) a bit easier.

Have a Happy New Year!

Operation: Lowbie

Posted in Hunter, Hunter Guide, Leveling, Lowbies, Operation Lowbie, Paladin, Pie with tags , , , on December 29, 2009 by forthepie

We here at For the Horde! believe in providing unbelievably helpful posts.  They may not be as often as many of you might like, but we never, ever post goofy posts.  Never, ever.  And if, by chance, one of those goofy posts sees the light of day….YOU fine readers would never make it one of the top posts in the past year.

Seriously Bonk Bonk Bonk?

Okay, apparently, you fine readers, don’t so much care if we post silly posts…just as long as we post.

But fine readers, and you too Gnomer, we are upon a new year.  A time when most of us will make a resolution and then break it…

So, what pray tell, is my resolution, well not resolution, but plan of action, for the new year?
You don’t think the title of this post was just catchy do you?


Fine readers, I am going to create two new characters this year (no Fikkle, not just two, silly Canadianian) with one thought in mind.  Creating a how to series.  One of those characters will be a hunter, because, I can be a hunter.  The second will be a paladin.  I am leaning toward making the paladin a human for a couple reasons:

1) They are not Belfs… Any long time reader of my posts or comments will know my loathing of the blood elf.  I am so much very happy that the Horde will get Tauren Paladins in Cataclysm.  Seriously, even troll paladins would have sufficed, but my second favorite race?  Woot!

2) Humans get extra rep, cuz we all know the rep grind is long…

3) Humans get that sweet Every Man for Himself, so I don’t have to invest in a PvP trinket.

Hush it right now Roz. Zip it!, Shhh,

Silence!  I keel you!

4) Blessing of Kings: who by the way sends the most traffic our way…for some reason.

(yeah you want me to roll your class, start sending folks this way…yeah..I can be bought)

Now, the major question is this.  Do I make my hunter an alliance too?  If so, what race?

Oh before we go much further, let me explain some of my ground rules.

1) Must be on a server where I don’t have characters

2) Only support should be the DK I roll on said server to provide some bigger bags.

Seriously, Blizz, increase the drop rate of bags in the starter zones or up the bag space to 20 in the backpack.  No food or water was a great step /golfclap  :rollseyes:

So, here’s my question to you, which server should I roll on.  That leaves out: Dawnbringer, Winterhoof and Gnomer’s server in the Oceanic area. (since he gaves me stuff already)

I have no problem rolling both characters as alliance, nor do I have a problem rolling one alliance and one Horde.  Realistically, I could do both on the same server.  My goal here is to provide a decent leveling guide for the new player.  Either new to the game or new to the classes.    Sure, I could roll these up on my “home” servers, but let’s be honest, I’ve got lots of alts bankrolled by by level 80’s and it’s just not the same experience.  Heirloom shoulders, trinkets, chest and weapons make the leveling process a breeze.  No recruit a friend.

This doesn’t mean that I just want to roll on a server I don’t know anyone, so if you’d like Pie to hang out with you on your server, feel free to suggest it.  I don’t want boosted through the process, which is one of the other reasons to not roll on one of my home servers.  Let’s be honest, my rogue got boosted through BFD and got the sweet bow, where I would normally have to get a group to go.

So there it is boys and girls, give me some suggestions.  What would you like to see me do?  I am not saying I’ll spend every playing moment playing these characters, but I would like to advance enough to get a few posts a month out of these characters. I’ll split them so one post will focus on the hunter and the other on the pally.

Apparently, I am not the only one who got this idea.  Go check out BBB for his project on a new bear tank!

But why is the Pie Gone?

Posted in Leveling, Lore, Pie, PvP, RP with tags , , , on October 14, 2009 by forthepie
The Rum...why is it gone?

The Rum...why is it gone?

The Pie is not gone. The Pie has been incognito for a while. I am going to break a few of the Nim’s rule’s of blogging in this post.

First, how is everyone? Good…Good. Second, I’ve been good. Working on a few projects, some of you may enjoy said projects. I am currently reading through the WoW lore books. I am, at the time of this post, just finished The Last Guardian. I have finished the War of the Ancients Trilogy and The Rise of the Horde. In fact, if you would like a copy of The Rise of the Horde, I have an extra I don’t want to ship back to Amazon. My mistake is your lore gain. Enter by the comments of this post. This contest, as it were, is open to all residents of the US and possibly Canada (sorry, it’s just not worth 20 dollars shipping to ship a 8 dollar book) that can receive a book…oh and it’s written in English, so if you would rather read it in French…you are not able to enter this contest. /glances at Fikkle.

With my recent delve into the books, which, by the way, I am thoroughly enjoying, I have another RP centric post going up on For the Pie, since for the most part we keep our RP stuff on our own blogs, unless perhaps it includes all of us. My other post in the works is a list of the X number of things I would change if I were in charge of the World….of Warcraft. A sneak peek: Fixing AV so it isn’t a race to see who can get to the other keep as quick as possible and Dragon mounts.

Oh quick note here, Pie is actually no longer. Horde, girl, Belf. Still pally though. Piepal has become Makari, a Draenei male pally on Winterhoof.

Some of you may know that I’ve been leveling in the BG’s with Fik’s warrior Kor. I started with my rogue Tombreaver, and then decided while we were eating lots of alliance babies together, we might be stronger with a healer type. So, I switched to my druid. I could never find a comfort zone with the bear/owl/tree type, so I went to my priest. In the upper levels of a bracket, we were unstoppable. In fact, I helped Kor get his Ironman achievement by being awesome. Okay, so I left him to go kill a nelf hunter, but he was fine. After a while, I decided that I wanted to try Shadow. OMG! At the upper ends again, shadow is unbelievable. Heck at 65-66 against even 68’s I am a terror to deal with. One on one, I usually win. Against a mob of dirty Alliance scum…not so much. The problem with Shadow is, Hit. I have quite a bit, due to talents and the WG heirloom staff, but against the level 68-70 mobs in AV, I miss a lot. A. Lot. Bosses are even worse. Don’t tell Fik this, but after he logged for the night, I made 66 and then switched back to Disc. If he stays with his pocket healer, or actually drags me with him, he will again become unstoppable. Last night Grubs had her 60 holy pally on there doing some amazing healing. The three of us just roflstomped several attempts to take the mine from us. Protip to the alliance nubs: Kill the healers. That shadow priest you charged, then got charged by the nasty Arms warrior, will kill you if you don’t kill or interrupt their healer.

Halkale continues to do his job as Champion seal gatherer. Soon, I’ll have enough to get 2 of the melee DPS maces for my shaman. Dual wielding those will make my shaman quite nasty I think.

The only issue in my mind with leveling through the BGs is it’s a money sink. You don’t get a lot of gold coming in from quest rewards, so as you level you send your toon gold to buy spells and upgrades etc.

Don’t forget to put your name in the hat for the book in the comments, if interested.

How not to be a huntard.

Posted in Alts, Hunter, Hunter Guide, Leveling, Pie, Tips & Tricks with tags , , on May 7, 2009 by forthepie

For how to be a good hunter, please read BRK. Seriously, there are several great posts over there and I am NOT reinventing the wheel. But as I read BBB’s post on Bear Tanking 101, I realized when he said to practice, practice, practice, how much it applies to other classes. Oh and this will be long. And it most likely will require a series of posts.

A small history. I have a level 66 Dwarf Hunter, which was my first main. I also have a level 80 Orc Hunter, which raided with Fire and Blood through Gorefiend in Black Temple. By the way, shout out to a couple bloggers from that guild. Guild Leader and shaman Windfury; Bear Tank and nice guy Think Tank. A couple other little hunters spread out on a couple different servers. So, basically, I’ve played a hunter for a bit.

As many of you might have read here, Slig has a baby hunter, Calysong and I have a baby druid, Naciasto. We are leveling together, with me being bear and her being DPS. We have made it to Arathi Highlands, following Jame’s Guide. I noticed as we were moving from mob to mob that I would see a shot fired by Calysong and her pet racing toward the mob. I asked Slig if she needed a mark/pet attack macro (I didn’t use a ? so I was hoping she didn’t think I was barking at her. She didn’t) and she said she had one and was just being lazy. Well this got me on my soapbox a bit. Before I continue, let me say, Slig is no huntard. Slig knows how to play the game, but she’s new to huntering and she is loving it. Hunters can be very easy to play and it’s very easy to allow bad habits to become just that…habits. Not that firing a low threat shot and letting your pet pick up the mob on the way in is horrible, it’s just that until you get to the point where all your skills as a hunter are second nature, you have to make a constant effort to do everything right. Practice doesn’t make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

Let’s examine a couple of scenarios, After the break.

The lowbie update March 30th

Posted in Leveling, Lowbies, Pie with tags , on March 30, 2009 by forthepie

So I thought I might update the progression my little lowbies have had over the past week or so.

I consider all my characters not at 80 as my lowbies.

Cowbell- Now level 68 and Dwos and I have made it to Nagrand. Fun fact of the day: Cowbell consistently dives into water instead of riding on top of it with path of frost on. It’s probably my camera angle, but I can’t change that for something silly like this.

Zeddak- No updates, he’s still resting.

Forpaj- She is going to be my part of the Lowbie Leveling Group on Saturdays, when we can get everyone on. I am pushing her to 35 so she is caught up with them. Moved from shadow to Discipline to allow for a bit better healing for the group.

Naral- No updates, only logging on to do inscription discoveries.

Tombreaver- No updates, sad sad former ghoul here.

Ozarka- Fikkle and I got sidetracked with trying to get some gear on our 80s so we set aside the mage group for a bit. I’d like to think we’ll pick them back up a bit more once Dwos and Cowbell get to 70.

Xorak- No love this week for the shaman, last week though he started leveling on his own and gathering stuff for the switch to dual wield and mail wearing at 40.

Naciasto- Okay started leveling him again, switched to Boomkin. Learning how to play a boomkin is a big change. Give mana plz! After some slight gear upgrades and some enchanting from Forpaj, woot, mana is good. Still I have to remember to switch to cat/bear form before I am out of mana.

I’ve noticed it takes a few quick fights to get me into the swing of the character I am playing. One of my biggest adjustments is how do I handle going OOM. Sure on some characters that doesn’t matter, but both Pie and Halk have ways to combat the OOM situation. For that matter, so does Tom. Obviously pet classes have even more ways to adjust.

One last thing. Corpse Explosion is so full of win. Especially when the glyph procs. Two explosions is always better than one.