Archive for January, 2009

Misconceptions of the Hunter Class, Or an Unfortunate Truth…

Posted in Hunter, Pets, Tips & Tricks, Uncategorized with tags , , on January 31, 2009 by sylus

That folks is how you write a title. That’s gotta be worth something, even if the rest of this post falls apart, you can all say, “hey, that Sy, he can write a mean title!” . . .

So, anyway, moving past the “Rocky and Bulwinkle”esque title, this topic is something I have been thinking about. I’ve been looking around the interwebs, readingup on some hot points surrounding hunters in general. I then did some further reading, delving into the things that us hunters do wrong.

So, before writing this post, I threw a question out to the Twitter Community. I asked, “What are some of the things hunters are known for, good and bad.”  These are a few of the responses I received.

Dechion, or Brad =)dechion @Sylus “the biggest is that hunters don’t play well in a group setting. That and how easy the class is to play (but not to play well)”

sparklymegzsparklymegz @Sylus“One word, two syllables… Huntard.”

Suzanne Beaudoinsparklepipsi @Sylus“I think the standard procedure is to assume someone is a LOLHUNTARD until proven otherwise ;)”

Larry Tomlinsondotcomlarry @Sylus“Always thought of them as lazy and careless about their pets pulling”

Robert McAteeSnarktopus @Sylus“very easy to play, good for powerlevelers. doesn’t require any skill or thought. also good for soloers.”

And Our Guildie Slig even threw in her two copper’s worth:

Nataliegamedame @Sylus“Huntards in groups and ninja-ing, selfish solo players.”

So, to recap, all of these people see a few key issues that they see commonly among hunters. The first being that we are all huntards. I think most of the other things people pointed out are merely the descriptors of what makes a “huntard.” I use this term lightly, as I hate the term, and it’s one I have fought hard against. So, lets take a minute to address the individual symptoms of a huntard.

First, let me hit the comment about the hunter class being very easy to play. Well, it can be a VERY easy class to play. It’s so easy to not worry about learning all of the mechanics, andjust sendyour pet after the mob,and stand back while shooting a few arrows while you go get a cup of coffee, or a juice box, age dependent. The problem with this is it is just good for solo play. You put yourself in a group situation for the first time…say Wailing Caverns, and have no clue about trap mechanics, pet aggro generation, i.e. cower, growl, pet mechanics in general, i.e. passive, defensive,and aggressive, then you are doomed to fail, and continue the evil stereotype for all hunters to come… So yes, hunters can be very easy to play. Hunters also have a crap ton of things built into their class that can make them very complicated to play. Granted, not the most complicated class in the game, but definitely deeper than the average “huntard” is willing to dig.

Okay, sliggy(AKA Gamedame), really, digging on hunters being the “Ninja” class? Okay, we have our fair share of those, but lets face it, EVERY class has their fair share of Ninja-looting-no-good-peices-of-trash! I won’t go naming some that are on my BAN list on my server, but man is it tempting!

Now, Good Ol’ Larry made a good point. Alot of hunters, and I mean alot of hunters, are not very familiar with certain instance pulls. Ones that require you to keep your pet with you for a few minutes, while the tank drags the mobs where they need to be. I’ve seen, and unfortunately been a part of, putting the pet on the kill mob, only to find that hey, that blind corner there, yeah, group of mobs right on the other side…The conversations goes something like this:


“yeah Gozzy?”

Um, meet our new friends.”

“What friends?”

Yeah, those four guys beating on the healer, say hi for me.”


Well, someone has to live to rez people,lol. (Hunter Engineer Rez FTW) No, really, I’ve never hit the Feign Death button to let the group wipe. I have unfortunatly had my pet pull aggro when I didn’t know the layout of the instance. Meh, it happens. Not alot, but for some, alot more than others. Throw some gold in the ol’ guild bank for the mistake, and move on. (Our guild goof-up insurance)

So, yes, there are HORRIBLE hunters out there, but there are a few good ones intermingled earning the bad rap for all of those “huntards.” So, you’re asking yourself…am I a huntard? Well, lets hope not. But, if you suspect you are, I have a few helpful sights out there for you. The first Is BRK is a treasure-trove of hunter information, delivered in a humorous way. In fact, we have several other hunter blogs linked on our sidebar. Take some time, get to know some of the hunter community members, and don’t be afraid. Ask questions. I don’t want to speak for everyone else in the hunter community, but I know I want to help fight back the inner-huntard in all of us. So, even if you feel intimidated by leaving a question for the BRK, shoot me a line. I’ll help out the best I can, and if I can’t, I’ll point you in the right direction!

So, either this post was a massive waste of your time, as the [wall of text] crit me for about 18k…or you are now well on your way to fighting those steriotypes. Get to it hunters. Make us proud!

Oh, one more thing, I used the wonderful app Twitter to round up the comments on this post. If you want to follow me on twitter, you can find me at . I update regularly, and would love for you to say hi!

~Uncle Sy


The Original Iron Chef

Posted in Dailies, Discussion, Professions, Tips & Tricks on January 30, 2009 by Nimrock

Today’s Secret Ingredient Is:

Chilled Meat!!!

I wear plate and I cook. Get it? Iron Chef

And don’t start with me, cooking is totally manly.

What? You people can sew, draw pictures and wave your wand around in the air like bad a vegas magician but I’m not allowed to cook?!

That’s what I thought.

So, today I want to toss out a few good reasons I think justify the time it takes to level up cooking.

1. Food buffs

This is the easiest way to improve your character with minimum investment. Don’t believe me? Observe:

Enchant Bracer-Major Stamina
Permanently enchant bracers to increase stamina by 40.
Requires: 4 Greater Cosmic Essence and 1 Abyss Crystal


Enchant Weapon-Accuracy
Permanently enchant a melee weapon to increase critical strike and hit rating by 25.
Requires: 20 Infinite Dust, 4 Greater Cosmic Essence, 4 Dream Shard, 6 Abyss Crystal


Snapper Extreme
Restores 15000 health and 12960 mana over 30 sec.  If you spend at least 10 seconds eating you will become well fed and gain 40 Hit Rating and 40 Stamina for 1.00 hour.
Requires: 3 Bonescale Snapper, 1 Northern Spices


Spicy Blue Nettlefish
Restores 15000 health and 12960 mana over 30 sec.  If you spend at least 10 seconds eating you will become well fed and gain 40 Critical Strike Rating and 40 Stamina for 1.00 hour.
Requires: 1 Nettlefish, 1 Northern Spices

Whazzat? Yeah, thought so.

As a tank I prefer some nice Dragonfin Filet. 40 strength and 40 stamina. Besides, gotta have your omega-3’s right?

Ok, so I’ve convinced you that food is a good idea. But you could simply have some other chump who does all your cooking for you, right? Sure, but there are other benefits.

2. Easy Dailies

The Dalaran cooking dailies are, without question the easiest dailies I’ve ever done. Way sweeter than stealing puppies, polishing a helm or (shudder) killing dragons. Only one of 5 requires you to even leave Dalaran! If you’ve any alts in their 70’s, you’re going to have more meat than you know what to do with. Turn that meat into easy gold!

These cooking dailies have several rewards. From any given daily, performed at level 80, you will receive:

1 Dalaran cooking award
1 Bag of spices
15 gold
150 Kirin Tor rep

The cooking award is used to buy recipes or spices from the cooking vendor. Inside the bag of spices you’ll find some Northern Spices plus a chance to get old spices, in case you hang with any forsaken, and a chance to get baby spices, for when that tauren wearing a big hat sits right in front of you in the theatre!

If all you do is complete the daily, trade your cooking award for 10 spice and post it all on the AH, you’ll make a profit. If you use the spices to cook food you stand to gain even more.

So, you’re smart enough to see the need for good buff food and you’ve decided making easy gold is ok. There’s another benefit.

3. Booze

You can make yer own booze!

Kungaloosh, Hot Apple Cider, Egg Nog and my personal favorite Captain Rumsey’s Lager are all created with cooking. Open your own bar, get that Brewmaster title and get to work!

Allez cuisine indeed.


Entering the Service

Posted in Guild, Recruit a Friend on January 28, 2009 by Nimrock

Nimrock sent an orc scurrying on his way to the Festival Harbinger and wondered idly if he had chosen the right profession.

Another young hordling approached and he started his speech.

“It’s that time of year, Pwnsauce! The Cenarion Circle invites all denizens of Azeroth to…” but he was cut off.

“lulz ur gay” the mohawked Forsaken youth screamed.

“…We invite all denizens of Azeroth to partake in our celebration of the Lunar Festival.”

“just gimee questz i need g” he started bouncing in circles around Nimrock.

Nimrock sighed and his large shoulders slumped lower.

“So be it, find the Festival Harbinger. Earthmother go with you.”

The undead creature immediately ran away, in the wrong direction. As Nimrock was watching him bounce down the lane, begging everyone in his path for money, a horn blew. Nim spun around to see a large force riding through the main gate of Orgrimmar. At the lead of the procession were two orcs. One rode a war kodo and was followed by a cat with glowing blue eyes, the other rode a raptor and, based on the totems and ritual objects slung on his back, appeared to be a shaman. Also in the procession Nim could see a mage, more preoccupied with himself than the parade, a blood elf priest on a kodo and quintuplet tauren riding in single file (to hide their numbers). In the back Nimrock could even see a dwarf and a human, both paladins, apparent recent additions to the ragtag band. He waved and the shaman beckoned him over.

“Perhaps you’d like to join us, commoner?” the orc growled. “We could use one of your bulk to hide behind when the arrows start flying.”

Nimrock scratched his beard and nodded.

“Will there be fire?” he asked.

The shaman and the hunter nodded.

“Will there be fighting?”

Again they both nodded and began to grin.

“Will there be drink?”

They both nodded and began to laugh heartily.

“Well, in that case..FOR THE HORDE!!”

Hi, I’m Nimrock!

As you may have heard, I’m the new guy here at 4tH. Many thanks to Fikkle and Sy for allowing me to set up shop here and a big thanks for the great intro!

I thought I’d take a minute and introduce myself.

I’ve been playing wow since March 05. Sy in fact was one of the people who introduced me to the game. I’m what some call a casual, some call softcore and some call a nub. There are days I do more crafting than fighting. I’ve also been known to adopt new players and show them the ropes. I like RP.

Nimrock was my first character. I levelled prot nearly the whole way and but for a short fury stint at the end of BC, I’ve been a tank. In keeping with the tradition here I’m also a confirmed altaholic. The full list bores even me, but the main toons I play are a 70-ish resto shaman, a 70-ish farmer (i mean hunter) and a 60’s boomkin. I’ve dabbled in the Death Knight but lately he’s festering in the Marsh.

I hope to bring my own perspective to 4thehorde. I’ve got some tanking ideas to share. I’d like to start writing about some of my experiences adopting newbies. Maybe a few commentaries on guild happenings. I might even sprinkle in some RP. I’ll leave it up to you as well. What would you like to see from the new writer here? Maybe some inside scoop on Fikkle and Sy?
Feel free to comment here or send me an e-mail:

Thanks for having me guys!


Respect Your Elders… And Git Off Our Lawn!

Posted in Guild, Random on January 27, 2009 by Kor

That’s right baby, For the Horde goes Elderly.  Nim, Sy and Myself have been out over-achieving during the last couple of days and sure enough, its true… We’re all Elderly.  Have a look (but please, no comments about us hiking our pants up above our navels… Nim can’t hear all that good and well Sy… he’s a bit touchy aboot it.  Enjoy!


Elderly Hordies in Org

Elderly Hordies in Org



— Fikkle


May the Horde be with you

For The Horde, Now With 100% Moar Rock!

Posted in News on January 27, 2009 by Kor

Well internethers For The Horde has undergone a bit of a change in management.  Unfortunately, I was unable to kick Sy out on his Roguish behind as per ALL of your requests, something about him having tenure (who knew?) and much to your relief, I will not be going anywhere either.  Now, for your reading pleasure, For The Horde would like to introduce you to the newest Horde Host with the Most, the Brewmaster Cow who brings the pain NOW, the tank who’s Shattrath don’t stank: Nimrock!


Brak and Nim at the Office getting ready for another Day's run

So internethers, stop by, give a /wave and and a big Hordie welcome to Nimrock!


— Fikkle

May the Horde be with you.

Gert Gets De-frobed and the Final Double Ding

Posted in Alts, Paladin, Pie, Random, Recruit a Friend on January 26, 2009 by Kor

Since Pie hasn’t yet posted about his Pally’s recent changes, I’m usurping his natural right to blog about it, claiming the requisite 5 day rule.  (Said 5 day rule exists somewhere and now the onus is on you to prove that it doesn’t exist.  Anywhere.)  Anyways, ‘he’s’ gone through Blizz’s new Character re-customization procedure (read: De-frobed).  Pie’s main is the sturdy Orc Hunter of old, but ‘he’s’ been running a Pally lately, attempting to get ‘him’ to end game to give us more tanking options.  But since ‘his’ early days in Silvermoon, Gertbfrobe has been a staunch Blood Elf MALE Paladin (well, as male as Blood Elves can be to begin with).  But now, Gertbfrobe went in for ‘his’ surgery and has come out of the operating room as a smexy BElf chick.  So smexy in fact, that a certain other Blogger who shall remain nameless to protect the guilty (cough*Sylus*cough) has been whistling at ‘her’ during instance runs.  And by ‘her’ I mean Piepal of course, our new FEMALE BElf Paladin.  ‘She’ is now trucking along quite nicely in Northrend, currently sitting at 72 I believe.  So if you’re oot’n’aboot on the Blogoshpere, stop in at ‘For the Pie’ and give a little /whistle to Piepal.  Although, all you buggers may be disappointed… Rumour has it that a certain Nuggerfrumper is pretty smexy himself, and already has his foot in the door.  Just ask Jaina.

So the impetus for this post was my getting caught up on all of the podcasts that I’ve missed out on.  I have been delinquent in keeping up on them, and I’m pretty sure I had about 8 or 9 episodes of TNB to listen to, so its been a lot of Bre and Fim lately… Not that there’s anything wrong with that…  Anyways, funny thing.  I started listening to episode 27, in my car, while waiting in line for my standard Double Double (its a Tim Horton’s thing) when Fim conducted the intro to the episode.  He offered his guests a coffee, and after Bre pointed out to him that ‘we’ are virtual guests Fim basically told us to get our own coffee.  Luckily for me, I was.  Anyways, in one of the episodes previous to that, Bre gave a shout to Episode 14, One 4 the Horde, where Sy and myself sat down with them to talk about this here blog.  The reference, of course, was to the double ding, and all the joking we did about that while talking about the recruit a friend. Well, I has a confession.  I had one last linked account available before the holidays and I rocked it, Alliance style. Yes, its true, For the Horde has dirty ally alts.  I decided to run up two Pally’s a Dwarf and a Human.  Me Dwarf Pally, Bannock, he’s a Protadin, and my Human Pally, Ambrosius, he’s Healadin.  After hitting 80 within 10 days of Wrath, I found that I was extremely bored.  Most guildies were only level 72 at the time and I didn’t have much to do at 80.  Being on a brand new realm, there wasn’t a lot of options for PUGs, at least not Horde side and so I got extremely bored very quick.  I suppose I could’ve got started on one of my other Horde 70s, caught up to all of my guildies and started running low level instances, but after powering through Northrend in 10 days, I didn’t feel like rushing right back into leveling so quickly.  So I decided to use up the last few weeks of my triple xp from recruit a friend doing the one thing I’ve never been able to do before, namely, level Alliance side. 

With that, my two Ally Pallys were born.  I think I only spent about two or three weeks on them, and they are now currently sitting at level 62 or 63.  Nominally, I was taking a break from the game, playing much less than I normally do.  It allowed me to recharge after the powerleveling of Brak.  But it also let me see some things from the other faction that I’d never experienced before.  What did I find?  Well, I’m probably going to forget a lot of the stuff since its no longer fresh in my mind, but here’s a college try.

1. The Horde raids Ironforge.  A LOT!  Pretty much every time I went back to IF to train, work on professions, or sell anything on the AH, IF was getting raiding.  It was quite funny, and annoying.  During one raid I actually saw one of my guildies in the throne room.

2. The Horde gets stomped in Ironforge.  A LOT!  Pretty much ever IF raid I witnessed ended in abysmal failure.  Now, I know there are Hordies on my server who have their Black War Bear and completed the ‘For The Horde’ achievement, but it seemed that every time they were in IF, they pretty much got stomped down.  Including my guildie.  Now, my guildie is what BRK would term a ‘cockroach’ class, so he lasted for quite a while.  He was the last one standing, I believe, during that particular raid, but he still got put down like the rest.

3. Things aren’t as one sided as they originally appear.  There is the ‘belief’ on the Horde side, that Blizz loves the Alliance and that the Horde is like the ugly stepchild.  (My apologies to stepchildren, you’re all beautiful in my books).  But not like this stepchild, who wasn’t really ugly… Wait a minute, where was I going with this?  Oh yeah.  Anyways, there are a lot of things that appeared to be favored to the Alliance while playing for the Horde.  At the same time, there seems to be a similar feeling while playing the Alliance.  I guess its like the whole question of which class is OP.  If every class is complaining that another class is OP, then Blizz has done something right in balancing them all together.  Similarly, if both factions complain that the other is getting preferential treatment, then obviously they’re just two spoiled siblings both wanting their parents love and affection.  Good jorb blizz. Yes, I said jorb.  Shout out Nim!

4. Things are pretty similar, and yet different.  A lot of quests from neutral areas are similar.  Even quests with two different quest givers (one for each faction) can be pretty darn close.  That being said, its nice to go to a zone that is basically an Alliance zone (ie, Wetlands) and get pretty different quest chains from what is avail Horde side.  Now, different is a relative term.  You’re still going on to get object ‘A’, or kill mob ‘B’ for NPC ‘C’, but the story behind why you’re doing generic quest # 3,752 for that specific NPC is generally different, and thats cool.

5.  Alliance architecture pwns Horde architecture, hands down, IMO.  I don’t know if anyone will agree with this, because aesthetics are generally such a subjective topic, and maybe I’ve just grown so used to all the standard Horde architecture that a change was nice, but I love Alliance towns.  Basically, anything that is a Big Honking Castle is cool.  (Your UFI for the day: Big Honking ____ is a standard military term. At least around here.  I’m going to need some independent verification if I’m going to confirm that this is Pan-NATO terminology.)

6. Writing RP stories for Alliance based characters seems easier.  At least for me.  I’ve written some (as of yet unpublished) RP stories based around my two Ally Pallys and intertwined in WoW Lore from WC3 through to WOTLKEE and its golden as far as I’m concerned.  The hard part is working in any Horde involvement to these stories. That being said, my favorite WoW fiction novels are still “Rise of the Horde” and “Lord of the Clans”.  I don’t know, I’d like to work in my Horde characters before I finalize the stories, but it ain’t easy.

Right now, I’m in a bit of a doldrum trying to figure out what I want to do next in game.  I think the problem is that I have too many options.  Stupid altaholism going and making me have to decide stuffs.  Anyways, I’m thinking that Juris, my BElf Pally, is next on the levelling express.  We’ll see what happens.


— Fikkle


May the Horde be with you.

Back in the Saddle

Posted in Discussion, Random on January 25, 2009 by Kor

That’s right, I’m back.  The holidays are generally a pretty busy time for me, since its the only time of the year I get to go home and visit my family anymore, and this year work was pretty busy after the holidays which translated into very little wow time for the last three or four weeks.  But this week, I’ve been back in game and tearing it up.  Brak hit 80 a long time ago, but basically didn’t do much once he got there except for a few dailies.  At that point, our server was still locked, so the population was still pretty low, which meant finding PUGs was pretty hard.  But give it a few weeks, and suddenly there is a lot more 80s on the server, especially in guild.  So since I’ve been back I’ve been able to get into a few heroics, do some rep building, and even got invited to join a guild in Obsidian Sanctum.

Right before my latest hiatus, I had started bringing some of 70s to Northrend.  I wasn’t really sure who I wanted to level next.  My Paladin and Druid were prime candidates, since that would give me the option of making a full time tank or healer.  The infamous, original Fikkle, the magical mystical Mage was another option.  Since he’s my tailor/enchanter it made a lot of sense to want to level him and get his professions up in order to be able to make bags and enchant gear.  And the last option was Grim, ye ole trusty hunter.  In the end, Fikkle got leveled to 72, and since I’ve got back I’ve decided to start playing Juris, my Pally.  He’s leveling Ret, and I’m pretty sure I would ultimately like to make him a tankadin, but we’ll see what happens.  He’s a miner/jewelcrafter, so having his professions out there will be a nice little bonus as well.  The funny thing is that when I do log him in, I have a blast playing him.  I did before they made all the “Ret is God” changes too, but its just been fun lately.  I think part of it has to do with the skins in Northrend.  So far, I’ve found that I really love the artwork on almost all of the plate gear, some of the leather and cloth, and none of the mail armor.  I’m sure part of the reason for that is with the new hero class being able to sport plate, Blizz wanted to make it look great.  So whenever Juris puts on a new piece of gear, I enjoy the way he looks. 

Sy has been talking about the Sons of Hodir dailies for over a week now, and since I had no idea about these before I took a break, I was a bit behind.  Brak hit 80 after doing a few quests in Icecrown (coming from Zul’Drak) so he basically had never been to Storm Peaks.  Anyways, most of the night tonight was spent going through the long quest chain to get caught up.  Now, most of my guildies really enjoyed this quest chain.  Although I’m not sure why, I didn’t.  Maybe part of it was that since I’m already 80, I don’t really wanna drudge through really long quest chains.  Also, since I knew there were dailies there that I needed to start doing, I wanted to just do the dailies and move on, rather than spend the entire evening going through the quest chain to get them done.  Either way, I got to neutral with them and then decided to call it a night.

Brak’s still saving for his epic flyer too.  On Friday I had about 500g saved up between Brak and Fikkle.  I decided to put all of my professions on hold for the time being, and to start selling things that I’d been hanging on to since Wrath hit.  That meant I posted a whole bunch of auctions, mostly of eternals (life) and of herbs.  I didn’t realize just how many stacks of herbs that I had saved up until I started to post it all on the AH.  Anyways, all said and done, I’m sitting at a nice 2700g, which is a pretty solid earning for a weekend.  Part of that is from all the questing I did today as well, but its still a nice chunk of change.

The other thing that I worked on was the Lunar Festival title achievement.  Saturday I went through all of Kalimdor, Eastern Kingdoms and Northrend and honored all of the Elders, including the capital city elders.  A few more minutes spent throwing rockets and fire works around got me a few more achievements and then some great timing in Moonglade allowed me to show up right as the big white pooch was dying.  Lastly, I made my way through all of the vanilla wow dungeons (mostly with Sy) to pick up those coins and then Me, Sy, Nim, Astenian and Psychochone ran Utgarde Pinnacle earlier today to get the elder from there.  So as far as the title goes, I only have the other Northrend dungeons left to go, and I’m hoping with some luck that we can have those done by next weekend.  Than you can call me Elder Brak. 😉

And finally, I swear, last thing, promise.  Grats to Sy who is now rockin around Northrend not only on his Cenarion War Hippogryph, but his Albino Drake and sporting the fancy title of Ambassador Gozz.  Nice going chump.  Now I hate you fer reals!

I’m out.



May the Horde be with you.